[HBM] In-Game Time discussion

Saintmillion
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[HBM] In-Game Time discussion Aug 4, 2015 22:38:21 GMT

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Post by Saintmillion on Aug 4, 2015 22:38:21 GMT

I've just learned that turning off Vertical Sync in HBM leads to super fast load times, which is a concern for me, since I've taken a liking to running SS full game runs. The only issue is that when I turn vertical sync off, I crash at the newspaper screen.

This is something I've struggle with for quite some time now, and managed to get HBM working most of the time without crashes (still happens occasionally) but vertical sync is like a kill switch. After days of testing different video settings, resolutions, windows, full screens, and such, I just cannot get the game to be stable with vertical sync off.

So now I'm wondering what my options are. I still want to run this game (really bad!) but I am at a disadvantage for reasons I can't figure out. If I want to compete with someone else's time, CJ for example, I can't accurately compare myself unless I go through a run and time it minus load screens, which is a hassle.

I'm thinking it might be better to use IGT and then a live timer for Requiem. Otherwise I'm at a disadvantage for full game runs. What do you guys think?

Edit: Alternatively, if anyone knows a fix for the vsync crashes that'd be sick

Edit 2: Alright, I may have finally discovered a godsend. Using dxtory to limit framerate to 60 and then mashing super fast at newspaper screen gets me past it before crash happens. Unfortunately I did crash a couple times at the upgrade screen which has actually never happened. Eh, at least it works a little bit I suppose.

Edit 3: So that works but screen tear is hurting my eyes, tried going back to no FPS limit and mashing doesn't work 100% of the time, mayb 70% of the time. Oh well.

Last Edit: Aug 5, 2015 1:50:10 GMT by Saintmillion

Kotti
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[HBM] In-Game Time discussion Aug 6, 2015 15:16:10 GMT

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Post by Kotti on Aug 6, 2015 15:16:10 GMT

If the load times are a problem, then the runs should be timed by removing the load times rather than using the in game time, and the framerate should be kept to 60 either by using Vsync or dxtory or other external program. Here's why:
- Going by IGT, reseting in a level becomes much more of a hassle.
- Buying weapon upgrades and other menuing would be excluded from the time. Having to speed through the menus is admittedly a bit annoying when checking for the rating, but that's a minor issue.
- I'm not 100% convinced that the in game timer is perfect and I think it may be somehow related to the framerate. A long time ago me and msqrt did some testing and it seemed like we were able to save tiny amounts of time by having the game run at 300fps.
- 60fps limit because of that timer thing and because some of the physics are tied to framerate.

Also, wth is this newspaper crash crap that has been happening recently? I've been running this since 2008 and have never even heard of any problems like it until last week. Did some driver update break the game or something?

EDIT: Yep, definitely seems like an Nvidia driver issue to me. Switched back to drivers from 2014 and suddenly the game stopped crashing, and Sui who has an AMD card is completely unable to replicate the crash.

Last Edit: Aug 8, 2015 17:38:39 GMT by Kotti

Saintmillion
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[HBM] In-Game Time discussion Aug 9, 2015 22:55:50 GMT

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Post by Saintmillion on Aug 9, 2015 22:55:50 GMT

Aug 6, 2015 15:16:10 GMT Kotti said:

If the load times are a problem, then the runs should be timed by removing the load times rather than using the in game time, and the framerate should be kept to 60 either by using Vsync or dxtory or other external program. Here's why:
- Going by IGT, reseting in a level becomes much more of a hassle.
- Buying weapon upgrades and other menuing would be excluded from the time. Having to speed through the menus is admittedly a bit annoying when checking for the rating, but that's a minor issue.
- I'm not 100% convinced that the in game timer is perfect and I think it may be somehow related to the framerate. A long time ago me and msqrt did some testing and it seemed like we were able to save tiny amounts of time by having the game run at 300fps.
- 60fps limit because of that timer thing and because some of the physics are tied to framerate.

Also, wth is this newspaper crash crap that has been happening recently? I've been running this since 2008 and have never even heard of any problems like it until last week. Did some driver update break the game or something?

EDIT: Yep, definitely seems like an Nvidia driver issue to me. Switched back to drivers from 2014 and suddenly the game stopped crashing, and Sui who has an AMD card is completely unable to replicate the crash.

I tried a few older NVIDIA drivers and gave up after a few, I'll try some more older ones as well. If that's the solution then oh my god I love you forever.

You're right, after thinking about it some more, manually subtracting load times would be the only solution. Hopefully the driver thing works though.

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[HBM] In-Game Time discussion Aug 10, 2015 13:26:39 GMT

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Post by Saintmillion on Aug 10, 2015 13:26:39 GMT

OK! After a testing a bunch more older NVIDIA drivers, version 347.88 worked for me; no more crashes at newspaper screen. (for what it's worth, I'm using an EVGA GTX Titan X).

So I've gotten the game working again on my PC without crashing. Only problem is that I'm getting input delay again, whereas on my laptop I could play with vsync on and still have no input delay (for some reason. this game is too weird).

I should note that I still get slow load times but only when v-sync is on. Also, when v-sync is off OR I'm in windowed mode... 47 throws items insanely far, and sometimes items go through walls and OoB when they go so fast, making a few strats not work properly. Other strange things are happening too, such as holding RMB will sometimes pull out fiberwire/weapon before the menu appears; or unpacking a sniper and shooting it will make a shooting animation but no shot comes out. Might be a framerate issue, so I'll test with frame limiter tonight when I get home.

BUT HEY AT LEAST IT'S WORKING

))) v-sync still messes with this game soo bad though.

Last Edit: Aug 10, 2015 13:36:09 GMT by Saintmillion

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[HBM] In-Game Time discussion Mar 15, 2016 22:06:36 GMT

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Post by Mr X on Mar 15, 2016 22:06:36 GMT

Sorry for bumping an ancient thread.

I feel obligated to mention that external programs like Rivatuner can limit the framerate when vsync interferes with the input of a game.

Also, thank you! I'll rollback my drivers before trying to play the game again.

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[HBM] In-Game Time discussion

Post by Saintmillion on Aug 4, 2015 22:38:21 GMT

Post by Kotti on Aug 6, 2015 15:16:10 GMT

Post by Saintmillion on Aug 9, 2015 22:55:50 GMT

Post by Saintmillion on Aug 10, 2015 13:26:39 GMT

Post by Mr X on Mar 15, 2016 22:06:36 GMT

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